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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:13 am 
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Hi, I am the leading Irish Holocaust revisionist. I help defend free speech here against the bigots of the far-left.

Students should not let these people intimidate them. Read up yourself. Good sites out there like AAARGH with loads of books you are not allowed to buy.

The fact is these far-left groups here are crypto-zionist. They serve the power. Revisionists fight the power.

Another man worth inviting is israelshamir.net

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Where are you posting from? PM me if you want about it. Just the county and nearest big town is enough.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:23 am 
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Indymedia Ireland wrote:
Thanks for the info antrophe.

The person behind this stuff is a Brian Wallace; also uses names David Noone, Wal, Faurisson and a load of others.

Just to make clear to people that there isn't an 'organisation' - just Wallace and his website. You can also download his diatribes off the website, which is likely what someone did.

Wallace spends a lot of time leafletting UCC in Cork and recently got himself invited to speak at a debate by the Philsoph. He does little more than parrot mad Nazi/Revisionist stuff he read on the internet. He must spend his whole life having stupid arguments on bulletin boards, which he convinces himself is winning over supporters.

We have been getting quite a lot of information in about him, but any more people have is good. As Michael Collins (allegedly) said - "We need to know what they had for breakfast"

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 Post subject: Re: The irresponsibility of the Lit & Deb Society
PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:32 am 
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You want to know what I had for breakfast? I usually have leftie vermin for breakfast whenever I meet them.

Cowards who serve the power with no character of their own. Born slaves who yelp at free men.



Why not invite my Israeli friend Shamir to Galway?


"VAMPIRE KILLERS

Israel Shamir

March 14, 2001
Folk stories about vampires provide readers with various remedies to the calamity of a ghoulish attack. A fistful of graveyard dirt is favoured, garlic is beneficial, and the cross is most efficient. But these remedies don't always work. In Roman Polansky's hilarious horror comedy, "The Fearless Vampire Killers," the hero tries to scare off a Jewish vampire by a sign of the cross. The Jew smiles at him with a kind understanding smile, straight from "Fiddler on the Roof," and bares his fangs. The cross does not ward him off. Polansky's work comes to mind as I follow the new wave of Holocaust controversies.

The "revisionist historians", who are considered by their adversaries to be "Holocaust deniers" are currently meeting in Beirut to compare their notes on Nazi genocide. The American Jewish establishment, including the Zionist Organization of America and the Anti-Defamation League, has demanded a ban on the conference. The ZOA is not against revisionism as such. This organization pioneered the art of denying history and published, at the expense of American taxpayer, a booklet called Deir Yassin: History of a Lie.

Deir Yassin was a peaceful village the Jewish terrorist groups Etzel and Lehi attacked on the 9th of April 1948, and massacred its men, women and children. I do not want to repeat the gory tale of sliced off ears, gutted bellies, raped women, torched men, bodies dumped in stone quarries or the triumphal parade of the murderers. Existentially, all massacres are similar, from Babi Yar to Chain Gang to Deir Yassin.

ZOA revisionists have utilized all the methods of their adversaries, the "deniers": they discount the eye-witness accounts of the survivors, the Red Cross, the British police, Jewish scouts and other Jewish observers, who were present at the scene of massacre. They discount even Ben Gurion's apology, since after all, the commanders of these gangs became in their turn prime ministers of the Jewish state. For ZOA, only the testimony of the murderers has any validity. That is, if the murderers are Jews.

If the Jews are the victims, these same American Zionist organizations spare no effort in challenging revisionism. This morally dubious position was no doubt of great comfort to those who gathered in Beirut. By their flawed logic, if the Israelis are telling a tall tale about what happened in 1948, perhaps the Jewish memories of the Holocaust are also flawed. It is misplaced energy. Sure, they scored a few hits, and the tales of soap manufactured from human fat or Wiesel's fiery furnaces were laid to rest. But these Revisionists also question the actual number of Jewish victims. If only a thousand Jews or Gypsies were murdered by the Nazis, it was a thousand too many. It is hardly an important issue, as the very definition of victim is based on interpretation.

A good example of "victim definition" was provided in last weekend Haaretz. When the Gulf war ended in 1991, there was one reported Israeli victim of the war. Today, there are officially one hundred Israelis who are recognized as victims of the Gulf war, and their dependents receive a pension at Iraqi expense. Some of the victims died of stress, some could not remove their gas masks and suffocated. The Haaretz article asserted that many more claims were declined by the Israeli authorities. That is why Michael Elkins, the ex-BBC Jerusalem correspondent and an Israeli citizen is correct in arguing that the number of victims, whether there were six or three million dead is not an issue.

The "revisionists" risked their lives and fortunes trying to undermine what they call "the Myth of the Holocaust". One can understand their interest. Nowadays, one may openly doubt the Immaculate Conception or (maybe) challenge the founding myths of Israel. Yet the cult of the Holocaust retains a unique, court-enforced prohibition against any investigation that might cast a doubt on its sacred dogma. Dogmas have a way of attracting critical minds. Still, behind this red muleta, the charging bull's horns meet thin air. The arguments on gas chambers and soap production could be very interesting, but they are quite irrelevant. Where then is the matador?

A courageous step was taken by Dr Norman Finkelstein in his best-selling expose The Holocaust Industry. There is, however, an important distinction between Dr Finkelstein and the "revisionist historians" gathered in Beirut. Dr Finkelstein, a son of holocaust survivors, stayed away from the possibly illegal statistical controversy and concentrated on the ideological construct of the Holocaust cult.

A fat lot of good it did him. A Jewish organization called "Lawyers without Borders" has already sued him in France. These lawyers were at perfect peace, when the Israeli legal machine pronounced a six months probationary sentence on a Jewish murderer of a Gentile child. They did not move a finger when a 15-year-old girl Suad was placed in solitary confinement, refused legal aid and subjected to mental torture. They are visibly absent from Israeli military courts where a single Jewish officer can mete out long imprisonment sentence to a Gentile civilian based on undisclosed evidence. Apparently, these lawyers are aware of certain borders.

Finkelstein set out to explore the secret of our discrete Jewish charm, a charm that opens American hearts and the coffers of Swiss bankers. His conclusion is that we do it by appealing to European and American guilt feelings. "The Holocaust cult [1] has proven to be an indispensable ideological weapon. Through its deployment, one of the world's most formidable military powers, with a horrendous human rights record, has cast itself as a victim state, and the most successful ethnic group in the US has acquired victim status". Finkelstein carries out a brilliant analysis of the Holocaust cult, and comes to a startling discovery: it is but a shabby construct of a few cliches stitched together by the sorrowful voice of Elie Wiesel in a limo.

Finkelstein is not aware of the magnitude of his discovery, as he still believes that the Holocaust cult is a great concept, second only to the invention of the wheel. It solved the eternal problem of the rich and influential, warding off the envy and hate of the poor and exploited. It allowed Mark Rich and other swindlers to cheat and steal, it allowed the Israeli army to murder children and starve women with impunity. His opinion is shared by many Israelis. Ari Shavit, a well-known Haaretz writer, expressed it best in 1996, when the Israeli Army killed over a hundred civilian refugees in Kana, Lebanon: "We may murder with impunity, because the Holocaust museum is on our side". Boaz Evron, Tom Segev and other Israeli writers have articulated the same notion.

One can sum up the thesis of Dr Finkelstein as follows. The Jews succeeded to square the circle, and solved the problem that befuddled aristocracy and the run of the mill millionaires. Namely, they disarmed their opponents by appealing to their compassion and guilt feeling.

I admire Dr Finkelstein for his continued belief in the good heart of his fellow Man. I trust he also believes in fairies. In my own estimate, compassion and guilt feelings can maybe get you a free bowl of soup. Not uncounted billions of dollars. Dr Finkelstein is not blind. He noticed that the Gypsies, another victim of the Nazis, received next to nothing from a "compassionate" Germany. The capacity of Americans to feel collective guilt towards their Vietnamese victims (5 million killed, one million widows, Coventry-style destruction laced with Agent Orange) was recently expressed by Defence Secretary William Cohen: "There is no place for apology (let alone compensation). A war is a war". Despite having all the facts at his disposal, Dr Finkelstein grasps his cross and tries to frighten the vampire away.

What is the source of power that fuels the Holocaust Industry? This is no idle or theoretical question. The making of yet another Palestinian tragedy is now in high gear, with the slow strangulation of its cities. Every day, a tree is uprooted, a house is demolished, a child is murdered. In Jerusalem, the Jews celebrated Purim by a pogrom of Gentiles, and it made page six in the local papers. In Hebron, the Kahane boys celebrated Purim at the tomb of the mass murderer Goldstein. This is no time to pussyfoot.
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 Post subject: Re: The irresponsibility of the Lit & Deb Society
PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:40 am 
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Your first mistake sir, was arriving on the SIN Boards and assuming you would be taken seriously.

Your second mistake sir, was posting something so long that I wouldn't care to read it.

Your final mistake sir, was not monitoring your mother while you typed this.

Expect a brother/sister in nine months time.

That will be all.

Queer.

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 Post subject: Re: The irresponsibility of the Lit & Deb Society
PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:51 am 
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Israel Shamir believes in the Jewish Blood Libel.

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 Post subject: Re: The irresponsibility of the Lit & Deb Society
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David Noone wrote:
You want to know what I had for breakfast? I usually have leftie vermin for breakfast whenever I meet them.

Cowards who serve the power with no character of their own. Born slaves who yelp at free men."



Really? You have leftie vermin for breakfast? Well come to NUIG and have me for breakfast, come on you politically-impotent cunt, I'd love to see you fucking try, I bet you've never met Reactionary Socialists.
How the fuck do we serve the power, have you ever read any of Marx's works? I am a strong supporter of Palestine, I have my problems with the state of Israel, but what you are doing my friend is fucked up, how would you like it if your parents were gassed, melted to their body fat, and then used as petrol? It happened fuckface, so go find a new career-path.

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 Post subject: Re: The irresponsibility of the Lit & Deb Society
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David Noone wrote:
You want to know what I had for breakfast? I usually have leftie vermin for breakfast whenever I meet them.

Cowards who serve the power with no character of their own. Born slaves who yelp at free men."



Really? You have leftie vermin for breakfast? Well come to NUIG and have me for breakfast, come on you politically-impotent cunt, I'd love to see you fucking try, I bet you've never met Reactionary Socialists.
How the fuck do we serve the power, have you ever read any of Marx's works? I am a strong supporter of Palestine, I have my problems with the state of Israel, but what you are doing my friend is fucked up, how would you like it if your parents were gassed, melted to their body fat, and then used as petrol? It happened fuckface, so go find a new career-path.


And something about his mother.

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 Post subject: Re: The irresponsibility of the Lit & Deb Society
PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:58 am 
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David Noone wrote:
You want to know what I had for breakfast? I usually have leftie vermin for breakfast whenever I meet them.

Cowards who serve the power with no character of their own. Born slaves who yelp at free men."



Really? You have leftie vermin for breakfast? Well come to NUIG and have me for breakfast, come on you politically-impotent cunt, I'd love to see you fucking try, I bet you've never met Reactionary Socialists.
How the fuck do we serve the power, have you ever read any of Marx's works? I am a strong supporter of Palestine, I have my problems with the state of Israel, but what you are doing my friend is fucked up, how would you like it if your parents were gassed, melted to their body fat, and then used as petrol? It happened fuckface, so go find a new career-path.


I wouldn't get too worried about keyboards warriors tbh.

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 Post subject: Re: The irresponsibility of the Lit & Deb Society
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Oh yeah your mother is like a TV, even a three-year old can turn her on.

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David Noone - pwn3d. I think he should leave now, he's probably very embarassed!

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 Post subject: Re: The irresponsibility of the Lit & Deb Society
PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:14 pm 
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This whole exchange is embarrassing tbh. Duel account holder posts for fun (already stated on previous page), people push to reveal his identity, fisticuffs at 9 outside quad... Jeez, Who is the Coon?

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Who is the Coon?


His mother.

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I'll refer you to latest South Park.

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You can, but I don't think they'll respond. You know who was very responsive? I won't say it this time.

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Sonas wrote:
It has to be a joke. That IP address has been used by a couple of very notable people on the boards. So he's either living in one of their old houses, its a joke, or said notable people posted from his house. They have a BT connection whoever they are.

Oh look at me and my 7331 skillz!


Or the IP you're looking at is a proxy people use. For instance anyone posting from a computer suite on campus would share the same IP because they are connecting through proxy.nuigalway.ie.

Domestic IPs generally can change. It's also possible that the IP address of the person who posted as Noone, belonged to somebody else previously. You'd need to look at the logs to see WHEN the other person posted with that IP.

I don't think the post details you get when you click the little question mark will show you that. There would be more useful info in the server logs.

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 Post subject: Re: The irresponsibility of the Lit & Deb Society
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Karl Marx's little cretins killed how many millions in the last century?

Ye had to invent a Nazi holocaust to try to divert attention while in the process of murdering millions in eastern Europe.Slavs ,Germans etc.
Ilya Ehrenburg was the guy who shouted about the 6 million Jews while at the same time advocating the murder and rape of Germans.

Anybody not a twisted little creep is the target of hate and envy by little marxist toads.

I will be around Galway and happy to meet any Red.

Politicial correctness is the ideology of the power. Ye are merely the running dogs of the Zionist murderers. true rebels are politically incorrect. Obvious dufus.

The thing is we are better men than you . We read books and see things like both sides of the argument.
We are sane while ye are insane bigots trying to terrorise the ordinary students and people.


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Karl Marx's little cretins killed how many millions in the last century?

Ye had to invent a Nazi holocaust to try to divert attention while in the process of murdering millions in eastern Europe.Slavs ,Germans etc.
Ilya Ehrenburg was the guy who shouted about the 6 million Jews while at the same time advocating the murder and rape of Germans.

Anybody not a twisted little creep is the target of hate and envy by little marxist toads.

I will be around Galway and happy to meet any Red.

Politicial correctness is the ideology of the power. Ye are merely the running dogs of the Zionist murderers. true rebels are politically incorrect. Obvious dufus.

The thing is we are better men than you . We read books and see things like both sides of the argument.
We are sane while ye are insane bigots trying to terrorise the ordinary students and people.


Ah now thats not true. While The Curious Case Of Benjamin Button was not disimilar to Forest Gump, they were two entirely different characters. The fact that it was directed by the same guy meant that there would be a number of similarities, or even complete copies of parts or even all, but it's still no reason to give it bad press.

And that's why I think Europe, is a good thing.

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David Noone wrote:
Karl Marx's little cretins killed how many millions in the last century?

Ye had to invent a Nazi holocaust to try to divert attention while in the process of murdering millions in eastern Europe.Slavs ,Germans etc.
Ilya Ehrenburg was the guy who shouted about the 6 million Jews while at the same time advocating the murder and rape of Germans.

Anybody not a twisted little creep is the target of hate and envy by little marxist toads.

I will be around Galway and happy to meet any Red.

Politicial correctness is the ideology of the power. Ye are merely the running dogs of the Zionist murderers. true rebels are politically incorrect. Obvious dufus.

The thing is we are better men than you . We read books and see things like both sides of the argument.
We are sane while ye are insane bigots trying to terrorise the ordinary students and people.



Who the fuck are Karl Marx's little cretins, and who the fuck did they kill?
True rebels? You and whose army? The army of paedos who between wanking off over little kids on the net, check Irving's website for any updates?
You'll be around Galway? Fair enough, instead of meeting a few Trots, come meet some Anarchists and a few Reactionary Socialists, we'll show you the error of your ways? So whats your views on immigration and the white race?

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Ah now, it's not the white race anymore... they decided it was about time anyone was allowed to join the race, so everyone can compete nowadays. God I love talking shite.

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Things are getting a bit tense

I think we need a sing song.

Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Deutschland is happy and gay!
We're marching to a faster pace
Look out, here comes the master race!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Rhineland's a fine land once more!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Watch out, Europe
We're going on tour!

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